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![]() Feedback This page is devoted to feedback I've received from you. If you have a question to ask or a comment to make, send me an email and if I think it's of general interest, I'll post it here.Click here to move ahead to current feedback letters. Guru: However, even with my initial success, I still feel that the points earned by pitchers in the game deviates from their normal relationship to a team in MLB and at smallworld. On the average MLB roster, pitchers take up 11 roster spots out of 25, or 44%. On a smallworld team, pitchers have only 5 roster spots out of 14, or 36%. With the new point system put in place at smallworld, you now have 36% of the players accounting for roughly half of the point totals. Since they are using a strictly mathematical model of individual player pricing to produce a simulated game of baseball, shouldn't each player be given the same weighted value across the board? While I'm no mathematician, it would make sense to me that in the scoring system, pitcher's point totals individually should at least attempt to achieve an average of something around 7%. I feel that smallworld should evenly distribute the points throughout the entire game based on the roster size. When your average #4 starting pitcher has the same points at the end of the year as Griffey or Bonds, it doesn't provide a realistic view of the value of these players in the real world of baseball. While it would be difficult, if not impossible, to achieve this through a game like smallworld's, an attempt should at least be made even if it means some sacrificing in the mathematical formulas. I'm sure that some adjustment could be made in calculating the pitcher's point totals to give a more accurate reflection of their actual number on a smallworld roster(5 out of 14 players). I'll leave the calculations of that to the mathematical wizards like yourself. - Derek (4/29) response from Guru:I share your concerns about the pitching formula. Based on some preseason comments I received from Smallworld staff, the changes were made to deemphasize strikeouts, and to make pitching worth approximately half of each team's overall points, since that balance is more consistent with the real game. However, on a real team, roughly half of the players on a roster are pitchers. It seems like a better approach would have been to expand the roster to include more pitchers. While my early reaction was that the changes were generally palatable as long as pitchers' prices reflected the extra scoring potential, I find that there are still some very undesirable features:
Guru: To paraphrase a saying, "Those who can, do.... Those who can't.... er, lead." - Guru Guru: I guess that depends on what the definition of "meaningful" is. - Guru Guru: As I see it, both approaches have positive aspects to them. If I allow my cash to sit dormant, that gives me more players to choose from when it comes to selling players on my team. Meaning, if I don't spend that money on Pedro Martinez or Curt Schilling, it gives me two more roster spots to work with on increasing my teams worth. As I don't want to waste trades, if I had these pitchers on my team, I wouldn't plan on dropping them until it comes time to rotate pitchers or if they happen to fall apart. That might seem foolish because I still have three pitching spots to work with, but many times these spots are filled with lower priced players who are playing well and whose values may not have yet reached their highest point. On the other side of the coin, with these players on my team I will most likely earn more points, (that's the name of the game!), and save myself from having to add them to my team at a later date when I may have missed my opportunity to buy them at their cheapest point. I've only used this example with two pitchers. Maybe, if I add big dollar players it should be a position player and not a pitcher in the early going? - Ed L. (4/25) response from Guru:It's not a trivial issue that you raise, and it's probably even more acute if you're on the CNN side of the game. I'll tell you how I address this situation - but I'm not sure I've got the optimal solution, either. If I build up enough cash that it's unlikely I'll need it to be able to pull off that "next trade", then I look for some star player that I can add. I try to find a player who satisfies these two conditions:
You probably ought to wait until the end of a trading cycle to make this type of move, though, just so you have enough trades available to adapt to any last minute needs (good or bad). Ultimately, you are building value in order to be able to afford this type of player. So it doesn't hurt to get there sooner than later with a few of your roster slots, since these guys will probably be subject to gradual price gains throughout the season. - Guru Guru: I think the best answer is "it depends". It's tough for a hitter to have a sudden "bad game", since 0-for-5 just results in -5 SWP. Usually, the things that trigger a big selloff are an injury, or else a rush to buy someone else at the same position. Pitchers can be an exception, since a really bad pitching outing can show up as a large negative point value. Drew's problem stemmed from the fact that he had so much preseason hype that he was probably heavily drafted. So when he started out slowly, he was an easy candidate to sell in trade for someone like Chili Davis. But if a player isn't heavily owned to begin with, then his downside is limited. - Guru Guru: Done. I don't know why they show those statistical breakouts anyway, I can't think of any meaningful use. - Guru Guru: So, this is my question. Having never followed the NBA regular season very close at all and as playoff spots and seed positions become secure the last week of the season, does this normally have much of an impact on possible playing time of key players? Or do you just have to feel it out player by player and team by team? I know most of the races are pretty tight, so there is a chance a lot of the games will have an impact on which teams make the playoffs and who plays who right til the last day. - Steve H. (4/23) response from Guru:I know the problem. Keeping track of two sports is really a challenge. Sometimes I feel like my "Windows" brain only has a "DOS" attention span. I think the player situation is a team-by-team, player-by-player thing. Teams with their playoff position locked up may rest regulars a but more, but most playoff-bound teams still have positioning at risk, so unless a game is really meaningless, playing time will probably be normal. Teams that are out of it still will go all out if they are playing a team that is in a meaningful game. So there aren't going to be too many totally meaningless games. It's not at all like baseball, where most games in the final week are inconsequential, and rookies get some extra PT. Some players with injury problems might get shut down a day or two early if there is no hope. These will just have to be watched closely. And some players probably will be looking to pad their stats (which could be good or bad), once the coach realizes that the team won't be advancing. So, I have no general rules of thumb to offer. As the last week unfolds, you just want to preserve as much flexibility as you can. - Guru Guru: Time for a reality check! You're in good shape. My current baseball rank is around 18,000! And I'm not conceding anything yet. On the SW side, there is only a 400 SWP difference between a ranking of 18,000 and a ranking of 3,000. That's only two good pitching starts! At a ranking of 3,000, you're only 700 SWP out of the top 100 - and a lot of those teams are doing it mostly with pitching. So you have plenty of time to climb. Essentially, the "charge" takes place automatically, as long as the gains have been building. The charge emanates from the higher production which is the natural outcome of a well-formulated expensive roster. The only strategy decision relates to the proper time to shift the trading focus from gain generation to point production. That decision isn't based on how your team stands, but on the relative expected point production of one strategy vs. the other. When the season is young, the expected points to be earned by owning higher value players is significant, since those points will be produced over a long period. But once the expected future point value of a "gains" trade is less than the point value of trade in a pitcher rotation strategy, the pendulum shifts. Of course, a lot of this is subjective, because you cannot know in advance what the extra value created by a "gains trade" will be. That also applies to a pitcher swap, although over a lot of pitcher trades, it's reasonable to assume you'll get the relevant average over time. Think gains! - Guru Guru: You did an intesting analysis of the quandry for Full Court Basketball - analyzing the "trade for games" strategy vs. the "buy and hold" strategy. Over an 82 game season a buy-and-hold would seem to work better in the long run, but obviously in a 50-game schedule the trade for games strategy proved superior (guess which one I used....). - Greg R. (4/22) response from Guru:This will be a good topic for an article, but in the interest of expediency, I'd advise you to hang on to Appier. My quick reasoning goes something like this.
Holding players makes sense if they can produce at a level sufficiently high to justify the lack of trading. For hitters, that will mean it almost always makes sense to hold onto players at a discount. For pitchers, though, that 60% hurdle rate won't be attainable by many, and active trading will be the best approach. But Appier looks like one of the keepers. - Guru Guru: It's tough to balance the comments between the two sports. In fact, it's tough just to cover two sports at once. I've intentionally emphasized baseball because I think there are more people interested in baseball vs. hoops right now, for several reasons:
Thanks for calling it to my attention. - Guru Guru: Can this really happen on Smallworld? Or maybe I'm missing something. - Craig H. (4/20) response from Guru:It probably could have happened - in fact, some people probably did the trade - but I think that's the only game all season that starts before 1:00 EST. So it's not a very big deal. Now if someone had started the game like Ivan Rodriguez did last week, with 9 RBI's in the 1st three innings - then you'd have something worth capitalizing on. But no one did. - Guru Guru: Re your delayed essay on BP, I hope you address what you think is going to happen as the season progresses and the escalating price of good pitchers makes it more difficult to make the required frequency of trades. I think that the strategies of the game will change gradually with an increasing import on position players. - Mike V. (4/20) response from Guru:One axiom that I believe in very strongly is that the best way to learn how to do something well is to really screw it up a few times first. That said, I'm having a wonderful learning experience during my first couple weeks of Ball Park Dreams. But I don't feel like I'm ready to author an "expert" strategy piece just yet. (Any volunteers?) I started out figuring that maximizing starting pitching exposure was the way to go. So, I've been typically carrying 6-7 pitchers all season. At times, in order to be able to afford the best starters who were in line to start next, I've even gone with some open hitting slots. Unfortunately, while the plan may have been sound, the execution has generally stunk. I've had a knack for picking up starters just before an implosion - like Clemens and Orlando Hernandez last week. Wen starters are faltering, and hitting slots are vacant, it's tough to feel like you're making much leadway. After an early season run at the top 100, my ranking has drifted back into the 2000's. I know I can make up a lot of ground, but when I look at some of the leading rosters, they look awfully tough to catch. Thankfully, it's still April. - Guru Guru: Actually, the first week's price increase concerned me a bit. It looks like they've finally got a reasonable sized adjustment. I agree with you that this week's trading may be more focused, and therefore price changes will be more volatile. However, I am greatly concerned that the optimal strategy IS a pitcher rotation one. Currently, you can achieve a very high level of production with the undervalued players (and since prices adjust relatively slowly, this will continue for awhile). Therefore, the excess cash and trades could be used for a few very lucrative rotations. I am really not sure that it is actually optimal, but I definitely think that they have narrowed the gap considerably. If the next few price changes are relatively small as well, I will reconsider the traditional SW strategy with more vigor. Until then, however, I will assume that price changes will pick up the pace a bit. With all of the injuries to very good players, there are likely to be a lot of great players available at relatively cheap prices later in the season. - Victor D. (4/19) response from Guru:Nice to have you back on the feedback page, Victor, after an extended absence. Sometimes work really sucks, doesn't it? Going slow probably makes some sense for now, using your trades only when they seem like slam dunk gains. But I wouldn't advocate using any extra trades for starts right now. An extra start today probably isn't going to be worth any more than an extra start in August. Any unused trades should be stockpiled for a rainy day. If and when it becomes clear that pitcher rotations is the way to go, you'll want to have some trades in the bank, anyway, so you can swap your pitchers in the most efficient pattern. - Guru Guru: I want to take this opportunity to thank you for the fun you have provided and for the invaluable statistics. Last season when I had excellent strategy but I followed the NBA too little to get off to a good start (I started with an injured Mourning). The second chance league was an excellent holiday gift - a wonderful chance to try again. This year my Bethesda Panthers got off to a much better start by following the abbreviated NBA preseason closely and using your stats charts. I actually held the overall lead for an extended period in early March (before leaders were posted) but hit a string of bad luck &/or bad decisions. For the past 4 to 8 weeks I have been looking over my shoulder and recognizing that, although a fair bit back, your teams would be tough to beat. It looks like it will a close race. I shifted from dollar maximization toward games maximization a bit earlier than you (and I missed Nesby, in part due to vacation), so it will be interesting to see if I can continue to hold on despite my less expensive roster. Fortunately, there are several 6-10 million dollar players performing nearly as well as the 10-17 million dollar group. - Jay S. (4/19) response from Guru:Thanks, Jay. I may or may not catch you. My recent decisions have been working out pretty well, but earlier in the season, I stumbled a few times. Your letter begs an interesting question. What do I do if I win the RotoGuru rankings? Do I put myself in the Hall of Fame? Probably not. If not, then do I admit the runner-up (assuming that isn't me, too)? Maybe. I'll have to think about it - if it happens. For now, I'm just happy to be in contention again, after a lackluster football showing. - Guru Guru: I'd have guessed that most Gurupies would have been able to find that one on their own - but maybe not. Thanks for pointing it out. - Guru Guru: Just thought I'd share with you (and others) a small portion of my RotoGuru habit: Eventually, there comes a time each day when I have to exit your site and either go elsewhere or back to work. Whenever I leave your site I do so by clicking on one of the banners. It doesn't matter if I do anything at the new site--I probably will either get offline or go to a bookmarked site. I use it like Small World's "Logout" button, so that when I'm finally done with my fantasy sports analysis for the moment it's my chance to throw a small bit of change to the Guru for a tip. - Fred C. (4/18) response from Guru:Thanks for the tip on tips. - Guru Guru: I read your article on the pros and cons of either trading for starts with your pitchers or trading for the sole purpose of gaining money (strategy you prefer early in the season). The first strategy should ideally earn you more points and less money gains. The second strategy should net you less points now but more points later in the season when you have built your team up with the money you have made with your smart trades. My question to you is in my league of 9 teams I am the only person using the second strategy (using trades to gain money). Every other team is trading starting pitchers for point gains. I am way behind in points (1000) but only about $750,000 ahead in dollars. How far is too far behind in points? And how much should I be up in money assuming I am doing a very above average job in trading to gain dollars? My fear is that I will fall to far behind in points and not be able to catch up in the second half of the season. What is your opinion on this situation. - Eric P. (4/18) response from Guru:First of all, it's too early to panic. Second, your comparative franchise value right now tells you as much about the quality of your draft (relative to your competitors) as it does about the quality of your first week trading. Until we've got at least three weeks under our belts, drafted players will necessarily have an impact. Third, I suspect that potential gains in future weeks may be better than during the first week, now that player ranking information is more widely available. Still, if most of the competition is trading for starts (and I'm talking about the world, not just your division), then there may be a point that we all have to get on the bandwagon. Remember that the best gains are for the players that everyone else buys. And if everyone else is buying starting pitching, then that's where the gains will be, too. This could especially be true for pitchers who are expecting 2 starts in the next trading period. It will take a few weeks to see how this all develops, but it is possible that trades for extra starts will be the best trades for gains. Maybe. But I digress.... that wasn't your question, was it? I think the key is to assess whether the expected $gain from a trade is likely to be worth more than the expected gain for an extra pitching start. If you assume that an extra start is worth 150 points (an aggressive assumption, especially if "pitching rotations" aren't efficiently executed - and most probably won't be), then let's figure out how much you need to gain in value to have an equivalent expected point value. Using my 3 SWP/G/$mil benchmark, and assuming there are 145 games remaining, then to produce an extra 150 SWP you'd need to realize a gain of roughly $345,000 [150/(145 x 3)]. That's not a very lofty hurdle! Even if you assume that it will take several weeks for your gain to fully mature, reasonably proficient gains trading should still dominate swapping for pitching starts. But if you can find opportunities to pick up starts and gains in the same trade, that sounds like the best of both worlds. - Guru Guru: No one site is completely reliable. When you see a discrepancy, you just have to beware. Sometimes, you can research a discrepancy by checking a local newpaper from the team's city. RotoNews has links to the sports pages of all of the newspapers in the major league cities. - Guru Guru: It is so heavily favored in pitching that everyday players, as long as they are starters for the most part, don't really come into significant play. If you have five quality pitchers, and a low-priced everyday, but starting, lineup you have it made and they will carry you. Last year it was obvious when people used their trades for starts, it was a quick fix. Now, it is the only smart decision that I can see barring injury to an everyday player! What good does it do anyone to have a MAC, Gonzo, or even some star and hot player like Will Clark when they can't even be in the top 75 players in the world and cost over $5,000,000! Pitchers, when they get rocked, don't even get hurt that bad in actuality. Take Chan Ho Park the other night for example:
How about a article on this and give us your opinion or their rationale for making the game so pitcher heavy whether they throw good or bad? - Will W. (4/14) response from Guru:It would make a good topic for an article. But with baseball and basketball overlapping, and some baseball programming still to be done, writing articles is going to have to wait for awhile. So let me take a quick stab at this issue here. Your point would be valid except for one very important constraint: on a 14-man roster, you can only have 5 pitchers. So regardless of the relative point disparity, the best first baseman might be worth more than the 6th best pitcher, even if the 6th best pitcher outpoints Big Mac by 50%. Even if the top 50 players were all pitchers, you still need 9 hitters. And since every roster slot is completely walled off (there are no wild card slots), there are really 7 different lists that matter - one for each position. Thus, the point disparity between pitchers and hitters, as long as they are comparably priced, really isn't an issue. It's just an optical illusion. You also assert that the only smart trading decision is to trade for starts. While this will be true later in the season, I don't agree for now. Let's do some simple arithmetic:
Guru: Last season, the top 5 gainers in the first price change were:
A mixed bag. - Guru Guru: As long as the prices reflect the extra production, what's wrong with it? You can expect it to remain this way all season, too. The imbalance was intentional. I don't consider this to be a problem. - Guru Guru: I've heard nothing. Anyone? - Guru Guru: Most of the major sports sites have this. Try ESPN's 4-day outlook, for example. - Guru Guru: I usually check the baseball news page at RotoNews, which tends to be pretty good - although sometimes they miss things. What other sources do Gurupies use? - Guru Guru: I got several emails on this same topic. There has been no statement from SW on this, but I'm presuming that pricing will be consolidated. If so, this may start an earlier upward push on higher priced players. But it will also have an offsetting impact, too. In the $50 million game, very few of the high priced players will show up on any draft rosters. This means that their draft prices effectively become a price floor for the season, since they can't be sold without first being bought. However, in the $75 million game, a number of the stars were drafted on many teams, which will allow subsequent sales to push these prices down - especially for players who fail to get off to a hot start. So the net impact will likely be mixed. - Guru Guru: If you want to clear your conscience, just tell a friend about RotoGuru. Just make sure it's someone far enough down in the standings so that it can help him without hurting you! - Guru Guru: I agree and disagree. I do find the total number of trades to be excessive, and I think we'll all find this to be the case in the dog days of August. But I think your point about the importance of the draft is backwards. I think the draft is significantly more important this year, specifically because it will take 3 weeks to fix it. Last year, you could flip the entire roster immediately, so you didn't have to suffer through the first price change with any of your draftees if you didn't want to. This year, at least 9 draftees are going to impact you for one price change, and at least four draftees are going to impact you for two. If you have a poor draft, that'll be a significant cross to bear! - Guru Guru: You stated that "given the heightened volatility in the pitching point formula (which results in large negative values for a crappy outing), hitters are likely to be more stable in the early going, both on the field and in the price charts." This is true when comparing hitters to pitchers. However, you make it sound as if the new scoring formula makes it more dangerous this year to own pitchers who might get spanked. This does not seem to be the case. The new scoring formula makes the mediocre pitchers much easier to stomach than last year, as they are no longer penalized for losses, they get more points for innings pitched, and each earned run hurts less. They even get an extra 10 points for the games they do win. So your run-of-the-mill 4th starter would seem to be a better bet than he was last year. - Joe R. (4/1) response from Guru:You're right. The point I was trying to make was that pitchers are more volatile than hitters, since they have fewer appearances over a short time frame, and a greater possibility of a negative outing. But this year's formula will dampen the potential downside for pitchers. Last year, losses carried a charge of 20 SWP, IP added 15, and earned runs cost 15. This year losses have no impact, IP adds 21, and earned runs only cost 10. So a bad outing will burn less this year. - Guru Guru: If the salary cap was $75 million then the good managers could get an all-star team by May 15th. That would take a lot of fun out of the game. Do you remember the joy that you experienced when you saw that Vladimir Guerrero was lifting your team out of nowhere? Or when Bartolo Colon had his great first half? All of these will be irrelevant if everyone has Albert Belle or Roger Clemens on their roster. One purpose of fantasy baseball is trying to win. The odds of that are about 200 out of 165000. The main reason for playing is how much the knowledge that you have gained helps you to enjoy the real thing. - MJ (4/1) response from Guru:I agree with your assessment. There are plenty of low priced opportunities out there, if you just do a little homework. I've already assembled my $50 million roster, and I have about $5 million left over. (Obviously, I could have upgraded some slot, but I figured that the flexibility provided by that spare cash could easily save me an early trade.) Putting together a $75 million roster may actually turn out to be a tougher challenge. - Guru Guru: Part of the intent of that poll was to show others that it's OK to enter a complicated contest, and then learn from watching it unfold. Hopefully, more Gurupies will brave it next year. - Guru Guru: Thanks for your help and thanks for your website. - JPH (4/1) response from Guru:This is one of the more common questions I get, and I must confess that there's no easy formula. Some people have a good feel for this, and others seem to perpetually struggle. You need to be aware that once a player has had a nice runup in value, he's much more susceptible to loss even if his performance is consistent. He's also at risk if someone hotter comes along. But in general, if a player is performing well, I usually find it makes sense to hold for several weeks, just to squeeze out as much gain per trade as possible, as long as the schedule remains attractive. (Schedule considerations will probably be less relevant in baseball, however.) I try to restrict my buys to players who I expect to appreciate at least $1 million. Many times, though, I expect it to take 2-3 weeks for the price gain to fully mature. So far, on my team at the Smallworld site, I've generated almost $48 million in gains on 40 trades, for an average of slightly over $1 million. And very seldom have I dropped a player just one week after buying him. With baseball gains being limited to a maximum of $1 million per week, holding guys for multiple week changes will be even more important. - Guru Guru: Your impressive performance was some mean feat.... or do I mean feet? - Guru Guru: Thanks. ESPN also provides an easy to use applet on their fantasy baseball home page. (which you can get to even if you're not registered for their game). 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