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![]() Feedback This page is devoted to feedback I've received from you. If you have a question to ask or a comment to make, send me an email and if I think it's of general interest, I'll post it here.Click here to move ahead to current feedback letters. Guru: Me and my buds are all playing the $50 million version. But last year we played on CNNSI so I put in a team for the hell of it. I've got my roster up to $108 million and already have an all star team and it just isn't very interesting, and it's still only May!! - Spaz's Boys (5/24) response from Guru:I didn't think I was going out on much of a limb with that comment. - Guru Guru: Keep up the good work. - David P. (5/24) response from Guru:I usually resist the urge to post these purely complimentary letters. But this one raises one of the impediments to site growth - and that is that many managers find the site so helpful that they keep it a secret from the rest of their competition. Many times I get asked by Gurupies if there is anything they can do to support the site. The best answer I can give is "pass the site address along to someone else." Thanks. - Guru Guru: You're ranked ahead of me, so why are you asking my opinion? Pedro is a tough call. He probably can't continue to accumulate points at the same pace forever. But he's also one of those guys you're going to want to own for the long haul, assuming you can afford him. The answer, I think, depends on the shape of the rest of your roster. If you think his value could be better deployed in other slots, then do so. His current SWP/EG/$m of 2.7 isn't bad, but you can find better ratios elsewhere, I'm sure. But if your roster is already shaping up pretty well, you might just want to hang on to him. - Guru Guru: The simplest approach is to bring up the table in your browser. Then, use your mouse to highlight the area you want to copy. In the edit menu, click on Copy. Next, open a blank spreadsheet in Excel. Position the cursor in the upper left cell of the area you want the table copied into. In the edit menu, click on paste. This will put all of the table data into a single column of your spreadsheet. To parse the data into columns, highlight the column with the table data, and then select "Text to columns..." under the Data menu. From that point forward, the system defaults will probably work (the table should be read in as fixed width columns). When this process is finished, the data items will be in columns. - Guru Guru: For example, look at the price history info for Chris Brock. It still has me wondering about the pricing formula a bit - generally it seems that 10,000 excess times bought mean a $1 M price move, but the carry over effects are harder to figure as evidenced by Brock's 4/28 repricing. Obviously carry over has a significant effect sometimes. For example, Freddy Garcia went down slightly in price despite having been bought more than sold that week. Thought you might find this interesting... - Brad H. (5/20) response from Guru:Wow! This is the first opportunity we been had to peek into the repricing process! I'm going to have to poke around for awhile. I'm sure many of you will do the same. Stay tuned... - Guru Guru:
Welcome aboard, newbie-Gurupie! I can't really tell how many trades managers are using each week. But most weeks, I use my entire allotment, usually in search of the best gains, but sometimes to avoid injuries or expected losses. I try to pick up players that I expect to increase for multiple weeks. It's not always easy, but it certainly is the most profitable. Swapping from "one-start" pitchers into "two-start" pitchers probably has a good expected gain ratio, but isn't necessarily the way to do it - since no pitcher starts twice two weeks in a row. If I'm looking for guys who will appreciate over multiple weeks, then that means I'm going to need to hold some pitchers through one-start weeks. Each season, the SW game changes somewhat, so each year brings some new ideas. I certainly continue to learn as I go along, which is part of what makes this fun. If it ever reduces to pure science, then I'll probably lose interest. So while there's a wealth of useful tidbits in many nooks and crannies of this site (in particular, you should gradually work your way through last year's Base Advances articles), the best way to learn is to play the game. - Guru Guru: Also, as we move into buying the "star" players for our teams when we can afford them, it seems to me that this will cause price drops among the moderately-priced players with their sell-offs. Won't this mean that their relative value will increase? I'm not saying that I should cherry-pick all season with the mid-level players, but it seems to me that the attraction to pick up a cheap position player who might be going into a home series against a lower level team would increase as their price drops. Or, maybe this is a moot point when we get to the point to afford the sure money players. Your thoughts, please. - Fred C. (5/20) response from Guru:With the pitching so distorted this year, I'm not sure what the benchmark should be. I've averaged a bit over $5 million per repricing, and there are a few Gurupies who have outdone that by a $million per week. At this point, I'm starting to pick up hitters that, barring injury, I should be content to hold for the duration. These guys aren't likely to produce the biggest weekly price gains, but they should start to show a steady, gradual weekly increase. Today, the value of those hitters is about $70 million. For my pitching staff, I'll probably want to allocate $15 million to one slot for pitching rotations, so the balance will go for the other four pitchers. Guys like Ortiz, Garcia, etc. will probably remain on the cheap side all season long, so they will probably comprise the other four pitching slots, with upgrades if/as funds permit. This type of roster could be assembled for about $100 million or so, and I should reach that sometime in June. So with that as my objective, the key is to get there using as few trades as possible - since any trades left over can be used for pitcher rotations. By the end of this week, I'll probably have about 5 of my hitting slots locked up. Will this strategy be good enough for a top 100 finish? I haven't figured that out yet. But it seems like the best realistic objective at this juncture. You should probably go through the same process. Figure out the hitting roster that you're going to try to obtain, and then work toward assembling those players - by the end of June, if at all possible, since at that point, pitching rotations will probably be the way to go. That roster may very well include someone who will remain cheap throughout - like a Chili Davis, for instance. He's unlikely to finish among the top four outfielders. But for the bucks, he may make sense. The ultimate decision will be based on how much you have accumulated, and on what fits best at that time. Gains aren't the true objective. Getting better players is the objective. - Guru Guru: Of course, we all had Fassero, Nagy, and Brian Rose. (We did, didn't we?) - Guru Guru:
That's essentially the classic pitcher rotation strategy. It works great if the scheduling works out. But there are ways to make the rotations more efficient, and I did write an article on that last season. (see Pitching Rotation) If you can live with the hitters you drafted, then it works great. Most people can't. The top 10 pitchers currently average 145 SWP per start. If you can average 6 starts per week under your strategy, that slot should produce about 850 SWP per week. To be in the top 100 worldwide (SW site), you'd have needed to average about 1550 SWP per week. So, you need the other 13 slots to produce 700 SWP per week. Assuming the other players have 6 eligible games per week, that's 117 per game, or about 9 SWP/G per player. Players producing at that level cost about $3m apiece, so that implies a total roster cost of $54 million. Under optimal assumptions, the strategy seems to work so far. But I doubt if 1550 SWP per week will suffice for the entire season. And achieving optimal conditions is rare. With 20/20 hindsight, it would be easy to assemble a roster that meets all of these conditions. But to do this from day one is much more challenging. Still, the evidence suggests that a number of teams are using this type of strategy very effectively. - Guru Guru: What I object to is the poor pricing of position players in the Ballpark game compared to SW. Brook Fordyce is the minimum $500k in SW and is over $1M in Ballpark. That means he is about half the price of the good catchers in Ballpark and one tenth the price in SW. Even at one tenth the price of Jason Kendall in the SW game, I bet more owners have Kendall than Fordyce. Take Todd Greene and Todd Hundley for example. Have either of them performed well enough this year to double in price? Greene has gone from $570k to $1,336,000. Ridiculous, especially considering he has been hurt and suspended. Ridiculous when you consider Kevin Appier is $760,000 right now and earned 50% more points. I do have a question. I haven't had a catcher on my team in weeks and I have noticed that most of the tops teams are missing one or even two position players. Statistically, is this wise? I think it is because there are no cheap players worth owning. What do the numbers say? - Charlie C. (5/18) response from Guru:I do find it frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a good alternative for hitters other than buying low and holding forever. Perhaps there needs to be more reward for dropping a player who is at a big gain - like increasing the salary cap by the amount of the gain, so a comparably valued player could be added. The other problem is that, because trades are unlimited and have no cost, the pitcher swapping strategy dominates the game. I suspect some more tinkering will be needed for next year's version, Maybe there should be a season-long limit on the number of pitching starts. At one point, I didn't think that was needed, but now I think it would add a helpful dimension. It might also make sense to require a complete roster. There's really no statistical magic in owning a complete roster. If you want to spend more on pitching - where you get the efficiency of the "two starts then trade" strategy - then it can make sense to keep a hitting slot open, especially if there aren't any eligible players who can produce a comparable BPP/$ ratio. I happened to pick up Santiago in the draft for $650,000, and since he's averaging almost 12 BPP/G, that's attractive relative to pitching returns. But there is no advantage inherent in the number of players owned. The key is to maximize points on the total investment of $18+ million, regardless of how many players that comprises. - Guru Guru: You never really stop worrying about points. You just have to try to figure which strategy is going to produce more points. Using a benchmark of 3 SWP per game per $million, a $500,000 gain today should still produce about 180 SWP over the balance of the season. That's still a bit more than you should realistically expect to realize on most pitching trades, especially if you don't have enough trades saved to produce a truly efficient "pitcher rotation." But if the gains opportunities don't seem obvious, you might be better off to pause and accumulate some trades for a rainy day. There will be plenty of time to swap pitchers. In spite of your psychological desire to improve your current standing, there's no need to swap pitchers now. In fact, if you can hold back some trades, maybe you can make your competitors overconfident. - Guru Guru: I haven't tested this yet, but I probably should. I just wondered whether anyone else had done any meaningful analysis. - Guru Guru: Initial pricing is largely based on the prior year's production. When a team relies on cheap, young, and untested talent, those players will tends to be priced on the low side. If they do produce, they turn out to be the bargains. Of course, that also means that some day soon they'll probably be playing in Baltimore. - Guru Guru: It seems to me alot of managers have done an awful lot of Complaining about how the Smallworld Baseball game is weighted "unfairly or unproportionately" in pitching. I am by no means a fantasy game expert, but I do know this much - the winning manager of any sports fantasy game won the contest because they, #1 read the rules of the game, #2 understood "completely" the rules of that game, and #3 most importantly used the rules and scoring system to their maximum advantage. PERIOD. So my advice to all those managers who feel the scoring system is unfair or unjust, quit complaining, and play the game to the best of your ability, given the rules and scoring system WE ALL PLAY UNDER. I'll guarantee you that the 50 top managers agree completely (no, I am not one of them). - Rich P. (5/15) response from Guru:I agree with your conclusion, though I think it's still fair to critique the framework. Hopefully, next year's game will benefit from this year's constructive criticism. - Guru Guru: I think outfielders like Stewart and Lofton are more effiicient at scoring points than outfielders with pure power and no speed. If a guy goes in a slump...I'd rather have a guy with speed who can get a walk and a stolen base than a home run hitter who likely is putting up goose eggs day after day. So while you think points are points...I would respectfully disagree. - Pat V. (5/15) response from Guru:A valid point. I don't know if history would indicate that speedsters are less susceptible to periodic volatility vs. sluggers. But even so, I think a program that would allow you to select players based on the underlying statistical compnonents is unlikely to get much use. And it would greatly increase the volume of data that I'd have to store online. If you're looking for speed vs. power, most of the sports stats sites provide sortable stats based on each stat. Try using those as a preliminary screening tool. - Guru Guru: Actually, guys like Ortiz can turn out to be continually valuable in both respects. The key is timing. Suppose you figure Ortiz is due for some profit taking - perhaps as the result of a weak outing. So you drop him. If you're right, just pick him back up at the cheaper price, and you've got more potential gains if he regains form. Freddy Garcia may be another example, especially if he can continue to show his early season productivity. Although you could just hold on throughout, if you can play his price correctly in both directions, you can benefit from more than 100% of his gains! - Guru Guru: I sure there are some "weekenders" who have the influence you suggest. However, based on the traffic at RotoGuru.com, weekends generate less than half the volume of an average weekday, which suggests to me that a lot of managers are accessing the web through work, rather than home. I doubt if weekend trading has enough volume to drive the results we've been seeing. I think the bigger reason is that there are a lot of impulsive managers who can't stand to save a trade when it could be used immediately. Teams that got off to a weak start (due to a lousy draft) probably used up their initial allocation well before the first repricing, and have been playing catchup ever since. In particular, there are a lot of younger players (age 10-15 or so) who don't have the discipline to ration trades until the end of the cycle. Even my own 14-year old son often finds himself tradeless well before the week is over - in spite of my sage counsel. (But then, did you ever listen to your Dad when you were 14?) - Guru Guru: This will make efficient management of the round-to-round turnover all the more difficult to plan. Another challenge! - Guru Guru:
Good questions. At 3B (or any position), it sometimes makes sense to bite the bullet and plunk down the cash to get the best player. This is usually my strategy when the gains opportunities seem limited with other players at the position, and the best player is easy to figure. At third this year, Matt Williams and Tatis have been the front runners. But it would surprise me if they stay at the top. Guys like Castilla, and Chipper Jones, and Scott Rolen should ultimately emerge. That's not to say that Williams or Tatis couldn't have a career year, but it's way too early to assume that their early performance can be sustained for the next 4.5 months. So, I wouldn't be inclined to rush after them, especially if Beltre is still providing good value for the money. Clearly, starting pitchers have a big point advantage this year. But that doesn't make closers worthless, unless you have unlimited cash to spend. There are a number of closers who are priced attractively, and offer good value for the money. But don't expect any closers to be among the top five pitchers in points. That would be remarkable.- Guru Guru: I think the key might be that pitching is weighted so differently this year than last...with more points for innings and wins and no deduction for losses. Pitchers that would bomb out last year are scoring decent points for mediocre performances this year. Also...it seems like there are more overachieving mid-priced hitters this year. Tatis, Stewart, Glaus, Stevens. I think the way to play this game might be to saturate your starting lineup with the best starting pitchers you can. Then load up your cheap hitters...Beltran, Febles, Dunston, Barrett, etc. Then...pick your roster value up at the hitter position and don't trade for any pitchers. Save as many trades as you can...maybe alternating a no-trade week into the mix. In the end...you have all the benefits of the great pitching, your roster value is still climbing...and you will have enough trades that you can switch 5 pitchers a day near the end of the year. I think there is a tendency for people to squander trades by getting pitchers. Let's say earlier this week you picked up Schilling and Pedro. You benefited from their good starts. Let's say you have two trades left for the week. You decide to pick up Smoltz by trading Schilling. Then you pick up Johnson by trading Pedro. On the surface it looks like you are getting two more pitching starts from great pitchers. However now you are out of trades and Schilling and Pedro pitch on Wednesday! So in reality...you would have no extra starts from your pitchers for the week! In the first scenario...Pedro, Schilling, Johnson, and Smoltz pitch for the week. In the 2nd scenario...Pedro and Schilling each pitch twice. Thus...you have gained nothing...all starts being equal...but have lost two trades. I think you do a fine job with your site. The assimilator is great. I think it would be great if you developed another program that would be in a sense a "shopping sight for players". We would input our player need for our team. Let's say I want a player with a certain speed and certain power playing a particular position for this amount of money. I could input these parameters and a program would then display...based on current statistics or SWP points...player recommendations for my team. What is your thought on that? - Pat V. (5/12) response from Guru:Most of your points are a rehash of points that I and others have made already, but some certainly bear repeating. It's especially important to manage your trading for pitching starts as efficiently as possible, and you point out a common inefficiency in the approach of many managers. As to your last request, I don't get the point. In the SW game, there is no need to distinguish between speed vs. power, or even pitching vs. hitting. As I've said before, "points is points." Seems to me that since points are all that matters, the tools I provide should be pretty sufficient. In other words, no. - Guru Guru: Your logic is generally sound, with the caveat that it assumes that there is some scarcity value to trades. I haven't yet been able to project whether I'll want more trades in the next few rounds, or whether I should be aggressive now. The risk is that if I find that I have too many trades in mid June, it will be too late to get the most out of them. But, since it's not a life and death situation, I've been willing to figure this out on the fly, rather than doing some painstaking projections. - Guru Guru: Today's (5/12) repricing blurb focuses on the thing that I think many of us are having problems with - trying to predict price fluctuations for these young pitchers. I, too, have jumped the gun on a few of these guys and sold them before they reached their peak (Bottenfield, Jimenez, Garcia), or failed to buy because I thought their value had topped out (Russ Ortiz). I think that this underscores a point you have made all along, which is that the trading masses seem to a) trade early and b) lag behind a bit. So, applying this point loosely to the discussion on Snyder (you avoided him because his two upcoming starts were vs. Cleveland and the Yankees), I think that you have done yourself a disservice by avoiding him based solely on that fact. The average trader either cannot or will not process so much information. I tend to think that looking at TOO much data will just end in frustration (it sure has for me). As for Pedro, he may indeed come back to earth, but as long as everyone is trying to get him, I'll ride that price wave, too. Such is the advantage of having cash on hand. The outfield game is giving me fits, too. I dumped Cameron after a poor week and recent price gains, only to see him jump more than $400K. Too many cheap players putting up points, I guess. The tough part is finding out who gives you the **most** SMP/$/EG. - Britt (5/12) response from Guru:I didn't expect "the masses" to avoid Snyder based on the tough matchups. In fact, I knew I was leaving some gains on the table by avoiding him. If I had unlimited trades available, I'd have probably picked him up. But I thought there were other attractive opportunities, so I conceded Snyder to the rest of you. As a Cleveland fan, I hate it when one of my pitchers has to face the Tribe, anyway. My stance on Pedro is mostly because I missed the boat, and I don't want to jump on too late. As I said, I had the same problem with Sosa last June, but fortunately recovered most of the damage by the end of the season. If I already owned Pedro, I'd certainly ride him as long as I could, however. "Pedro Power" was painfully evident in the updated rankings this morning. Pedro got more than 200 SWP yesterday, and my team ranking dropped about 7000 overnight. I also find that others take heart when I confess to having difficulties. So, if Snyder and Pedro turn out to be the keys to success this year, you can all feel like you outsmarted me. I can take it. (But I'd rather not have to.) - Guru Guru: I noticed last week that I ran out of trades. I wanted to trade Larry Walker for Carlos Beltran. Of course there is a price difference here. So I was left with 6 million from Sunday until today. I would like to avoid this type of thing. What do you suggest? - Matt S. (5/12) response from Guru:While it is important to understand how trading flows are being driven, I think you can trade more efficiently by deferring to the extent possible. Unless it factors into the timing of pitching starts, I usually do my trades on Tuesday night. I look at the position lists at the beginning of the week to assess who I think will get the most action. But I wait until the end of the week to see who has sustained the pace. I also look at who the likely buys will be at the beginning of the next week. This helps ensure that I get at least two decent price increases out of a buy. But, it also means I miss owning some hot players (that others have already bought), and it also means I may be holding on to some "cooling" players a bit too long. Maybe this is part of the reason for my modest point production. - Guru Guru: Aesthetically, pitcher rotations as a part of the strategy do not appeal to me. However, as long as I am competitive, I'll put up with it a bit. The really bad news is that some teams have done extremely successful rotations so far, and they could be very difficult to catch. However, it is a long season; last year I was ranked in the 300's through July, but came back to finish very strong. The balancing act continues! - Victor D. (5/12) response from Guru:I must confess I also find the pitcher point imbalance, and the resulting emphasis on pitcher rotations, to be less interesting than prior years' games. But, a guy's gotta do what a guy's gotta do. The thing we all have to keep in mind is that this is a marathon, not a sprint. The season is just approaching the 25% mark. The saying goes that "slow and steady wins the race." I sure hope so - especially the "slow" part! - Guru Guru: He goes up somewhere around 200,000 - not as much as I was hoping for. He ends up pitching on Friday gets 10 measly points, dropping out of the top 50. Now he's not supposed to pitch until Friday this week. I was forced into keeping him for this price change but expecting him to lose some value. Instead, this week he goes up 750,000. What is up??? - Spaz's Boys (5/12) response from Guru:Good question. I guess it just goes to show it usually pays to keep your Witt's about you. - Guru Guru: NBA Playoff question: Theoretically the first round games could end as early as May 13 (not probable), but very well could be over before May 17. Does the next round start almost immediately after the previous round is complete, or is there a gap if all series finish early. Nice to have some idea, when looking at trade usage through the playoffs. - Steve H. (5/9) response from Guru:I dunno. Anyone? - Guru Guru: Anyone made one yet this season? - Guru Guru: On to the playoffs... - Guru Guru: I don't see why you'd want to use any trades for starts at this point of the season. If you can find gains opportunities, why not use them all for gains now? Trading for starts will be just as profitable in August as it is in May. But gains are more valuable now than they will be later. - Guru Guru: Don't know. I've raised the issue several times before, and it is a frequent topic in feedback letters. Maybe someday... - Guru Guru: Thanks, Jay. If I couldn't repeat, I'm glad another Gurupie claimed the throne. - Guru Guru: In fact, I suspect it was his slam that pushed him into the top 50. I guess this goes to show that you should look at the entire top 50, not just the top of the list. - Guru Guru: Question - If your team is filled with these "plateau players", your points per game per million is skewed drastically because of this apparent oversight. Is this a problem or am I missing something? - Joel (5/3) response from Guru:Yes and no. Players who start out on the cheap side, but turn out to be theoretically worth much more (like Chili Davis), do have a difficult time reaching "fair value". If he has topped out in price, then he is probably a few million below where his true value might belong. But, I think this has nothing to do with the $1 million weekly cap. Why? Because I think that excess buys are carried over into the next pricing period. If 1500 managers bought Davis in week #1, and this amount of buys would produce a $1.5 million price gain, then the extra $.5 million is carried over into the next week's gain. The weekly cap doesn't limit the potential gain overall; it only limits the pace at which the price can rise. I suspect the intent is to try to keep prices from over-reacting. The issue you raise, though, has been present in all recent Smallworld games. Players that start out too cheap tend to remain cheap throughout the season. If you own these guys, are your points "skewed drastically"? I'm not sure what you mean. But, these are guys that will tend to produce more points for your dollar, so if you own a lot of them, you should have a more productive roster. If so, it should improve your ranking. And as far as I can tell, that's a favorable "skew". - Guru Guru: Here's a link to the Smallworld division search page. - Guru Guru: I hadn't really benchmarked my teams yet, but your question prompted me to do so. My SW team currently has an average of 4.2 SWP/G/$m. My CNN team is more like 3.6. That makes sense, because as you get into higher priced players, the ratio tends to decline. I think baseball averages tend to be a bit more variable, particularly early in the year for pitchers. But the same benchmark of 4 SWP/G/$m still seems like a reasonably good target to aim for. - Guru Click here for prior feedback letters, by month: 1999: April . . . . . March . . . . . February . . . . . January December . . . . . November . . . . . October . . . . . September . . . . . August . . . . . July . . . . . June . . . . . May . . . . . April . . . . . March . . . . . RotoGuru is produced by Dave Hall (a.k.a. the Guru), an avid fantasy sports player. He is neither employed by nor compensated by any of the fantasy sports games discussed within this site, and all opinions expressed are solely his own. Questions or comments are welcome, and should be emailed to Guru<davehall@home.com>. |